Comments on: How Microsoft is snatching Windows 7 defeat from the jaws of victory http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html Ian Betteridge on Macs, mobiles, and technology Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:45:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: larry http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html/comment-page-1#comment-2863 larry Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:35:26 +0000 http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=2368#comment-2863 <p>Upgrading from a similar OS is one thing, 95->98->ME all similar based applications, NT4->2000->XP all same basic NT core architecture. They tried with Vista, which aside from all the problems Vista had with itself, all the additional legacy NT registry keys, system files, etc... it was 100 worse. So, as with many things, its time to let the old things go. That's why they are starting to remove legacy code... the more old things they have to support, the more bloated and bogged down the new OS becomes. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Windows 8 doesn't support any applications prior to Vista, especially since they are rumoring about dropping 32bit version from the product line.</p> Upgrading from a similar OS is one thing, 95->98->ME all similar based applications, NT4->2000->XP all same basic NT core architecture. They tried with Vista, which aside from all the problems Vista had with itself, all the additional legacy NT registry keys, system files, etc… it was 100 worse. So, as with many things, its time to let the old things go. That’s why they are starting to remove legacy code… the more old things they have to support, the more bloated and bogged down the new OS becomes. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Windows 8 doesn’t support any applications prior to Vista, especially since they are rumoring about dropping 32bit version from the product line.

]]> By: Wes http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html/comment-page-1#comment-2649 Wes Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:55:19 +0000 http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=2368#comment-2649 <p>Why couldn't microsoft ship everybody who preordered 7 a copy of Vista to use as upgrade bate, then? If you bought Windows Vista now, you'd still get a free coupon to upgrade to 7 later.</p> Why couldn’t microsoft ship everybody who preordered 7 a copy of Vista to use as upgrade bate, then? If you bought Windows Vista now, you’d still get a free coupon to upgrade to 7 later.

]]> By: Ian Betteridge http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html/comment-page-1#comment-2589 Ian Betteridge Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:53:14 +0000 http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=2368#comment-2589 <p>Nope, there's never been a release which included it - and I'm sure it's not trivial. But it shouldn't be impossible, either. After all, you could upgrade from XP to Vista as I remember...</p> Nope, there’s never been a release which included it – and I’m sure it’s not trivial. But it shouldn’t be impossible, either. After all, you could upgrade from XP to Vista as I remember…

]]> By: nick s http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html/comment-page-1#comment-2576 nick s Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:56:16 +0000 http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=2368#comment-2576 <p>If the XP to Win7 upgrade is non-trivial and has been withheld for business purposes (keep OEMs happy, cover arse w/r/t Vista), then it's an absurdity.</p> <p>But, has there ever been a release -- even a leaked dev build -- that has contained an XP updater? I don't think so, and that makes me wonder if it's a more challenging process than just slipstreaming the XP-Vista updater. Or whether it was ruled out of the dev process. Or whether the OEMs don't want it. Or... well, the 'why' is as fascinating as the 'how'.</p> <p>Clearly, forcing a wipe-install-migrate (or a 'new HD or PC') on XP may present the OS in its best light, by avoiding typical upgrade crud. But whether you're an apathy holdout or an active Vista refusenik, the idea of reinstalling all your software and customisations on an OS you may have been using for seven or eight years -- got all those serials and installer disks? -- is not a pleasant one.</p> If the XP to Win7 upgrade is non-trivial and has been withheld for business purposes (keep OEMs happy, cover arse w/r/t Vista), then it’s an absurdity.

But, has there ever been a release — even a leaked dev build — that has contained an XP updater? I don’t think so, and that makes me wonder if it’s a more challenging process than just slipstreaming the XP-Vista updater. Or whether it was ruled out of the dev process. Or whether the OEMs don’t want it. Or… well, the ‘why’ is as fascinating as the ‘how’.

Clearly, forcing a wipe-install-migrate (or a ‘new HD or PC’) on XP may present the OS in its best light, by avoiding typical upgrade crud. But whether you’re an apathy holdout or an active Vista refusenik, the idea of reinstalling all your software and customisations on an OS you may have been using for seven or eight years — got all those serials and installer disks? — is not a pleasant one.

]]> By: Travis http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html/comment-page-1#comment-2574 Travis Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:57:25 +0000 http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=2368#comment-2574 <p>Almost as much of a facepalm moment as Apple's current addiction to shooting itself in the head with App store decisions. I think Apple is headed for trouble with respect to mindshare if they don't stop this nonsens.</p> Almost as much of a facepalm moment as Apple’s current addiction to shooting itself in the head with App store decisions. I think Apple is headed for trouble with respect to mindshare if they don’t stop this nonsens.

]]> By: Ian Betteridge http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html/comment-page-1#comment-2562 Ian Betteridge Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:00:46 +0000 http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=2368#comment-2562 <p>I know. It's a total facepalm moment. I cannot believe they are being this stupid.</p> I know. It’s a total facepalm moment. I cannot believe they are being this stupid.

]]> By: John Molloy http://www.technovia.co.uk/2009/08/how-microsoft-is-snatching-windows-7-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victoryits.html/comment-page-1#comment-2561 John Molloy Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:51:58 +0000 http://www.technovia.co.uk/?p=2368#comment-2561 <p>So basically they are saying to get the best experience you have to effectively have a new computer. I wonder if W7 will suffer from the same grinding to a halt that other Windows systems suffer if you just keep using them rather than re-installing and starting again? Do you think, perhaps, that this is a way of Windows 7 appearing to be less kludgy than it's forerunners just to get it through Christmas? By the time February comes around and everyone's machine is running like a dog then Microsoft can claim victory again in the OS war as it will take that long for people to discover the downside.</p> So basically they are saying to get the best experience you have to effectively have a new computer. I wonder if W7 will suffer from the same grinding to a halt that other Windows systems suffer if you just keep using them rather than re-installing and starting again? Do you think, perhaps, that this is a way of Windows 7 appearing to be less kludgy than it’s forerunners just to get it through Christmas? By the time February comes around and everyone’s machine is running like a dog then Microsoft can claim victory again in the OS war as it will take that long for people to discover the downside.

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